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PostSubject: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 9:39 am

As the title said, just what makes something be considered a song? Is it the lyrics? Is it the combination of musical notes? Is it the combination? Exactly what makes something a song?
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 9:41 am

It's the combination of the lyrics and the music.
Now I wonder is an instrumental song a song?
A song without music doesn't sound good. (at least for me)
Sometimes a song without lyrics can be good.
For me the best combination is one with lyrics and music.
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 11:49 am

A song is music and lyrics. Perhaps it's just me and my ignorance, but I think just music is referred to as a piece normally (at least in classical music).

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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 4:36 pm

Hmm good question! See I have always called instrumental pieces, tunes and pieces with lyrics songs...but I'm pretty sure in the actually definition of a song there doesn't *have* to be lyrics
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 5:08 pm

If a "song" is defined by music with lyrics, would a classical piece played while someone recited a poem be considered a "song"?

If that would constitute a "song", then if a different poem was recited to the same piece of music be a different "song"?

If two different poems recited to the same piece of music are two "songs", then that would insinuate that the music is not the determining factor in a "song". However, if you considered it one "song" with different lyrics, well, that would mean that lyrics are not the determining factor in a "song".
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 9:12 pm

Kwestion hurt brain....
Tough one Naz.
My opinion would be a song doesn't necessarily need lyrics but it does need structure (beginning-middle-end) much like a story. Music without structure doesn't seem to have enough self identity to be classified as an individual song IMO. Kind of like words written on paper without a uniting theme.

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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 11:49 pm

Staybrite wrote:
Kwestion hurt brain....
Tough one Naz.
My opinion would be a song doesn't necessarily need lyrics but it does need structure (beginning-middle-end) much like a story. Music without structure doesn't seem to have enough self identity to be classified as an individual song IMO. Kind of like words written on paper without a uniting theme.

Soooo, improvisational jazz by that definition could not have any "songs" because there is no real unifying lyrics, or even a reproducible sound. "Scatting" would not be a viable lyrical approach?
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 10, 2008 3:31 am

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Soooo, improvisational jazz by that definition could not have any "songs" because there is no real unifying lyrics, or even a reproducible sound. "Scatting" would not be a viable lyrical approach?

Well to me improv jazz doesn't really sound like music. So I guess that works for me.
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But seriously, we are talking about something that is rather subjective.
So I think it is going to be very difficult to anchor down a solid definition.

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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 10, 2008 10:06 pm

To me, a song would constitute a piece of music with singing. With instrumental music, a lot of artists/composers refer to their music as either "pieces" or "movements". When you add a recognizable vocal melody, you move beyond a musical composition to having a song.

But, that's just my 2 cents worth.

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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 10, 2008 11:32 pm

What about songs like Gary Glitter's "Rock and Roll part 2".
No lyrics, but you mean to tell me it isn't a song? Just a peice? (I think thousands of hockey fans might disagree)

Click the link
Rock & Roll Part 2

(this does not mean I endorse Gary Glitter or his music by any means)

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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 11, 2008 9:24 am

OK, then lets take another step. If lyrics are neccassary for something to be a "song", why are birds called "songbirds" when they make their "music"?
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 11, 2008 9:33 am

God has created human being with a voice, meant to praise and worship God.
To communicate with each other and to sing.
God created the birds so that they can "sing" without words.
It was against His will.
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PostSubject: Re: What is a song?   What is a song? I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 12, 2008 11:09 am

song (sông, sng)
n.
1. Music
a. A brief composition written or adapted for singing.
b. The act or art of singing: broke into song.
2. A distinctive or characteristic sound made by an animal, such as a bird or an insect.
3.
a. Poetry; verse.
b. A lyric poem or ballad.
Idiom:
for a song Informal
At a low price: "bought the antique tray for a song."


We all define "song" in a personal sense.
Songs are an emotional expression of our inner self placed to (our definition of) harmony.
Our lives can be considered a "song" to our Creator (whether beautiful, or bad enuf to cause Him to turn off the song) - the angels as well as humans were created with music in them... the whole reason is to praise & worship God for all eternity.... with new songs, however expressed.

Interesting that God is even referred to in a praise song as "You are beautiful my sweet sweet song"... what's that mean ?
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