Ever wonder what a dying cow sounds like?

I need to go brush my teeth.

Maybe he just needs a cough drop.

[quote="Samson"]Ever wonder what a dying cow sounds like?[/quote]
I bet we'll hear one on the next Tourniquet album

oh. my. word.

Who listens to and enjoys that crap? It is musical feces.

I don't know guys -  I kinda like it...

Ok not really.

I don't mean to be "holier than thou" or judgmental here... but are we being too critical of someone's music?  I'm not saying it's good, but this was a Christian man making music to honor God with.  I believe he has since left the faith.  I dunno, I just imagine him stumbling upon this page and seeing these comments and being further assured in his decision to leave Christianity behind...

That said, Bodachi's Tourniquet comment made me lol. 

kerrick wrote:

I'm not saying it's good, but this was a Christian man making music to honor God with.

It would be curious to know if God found it honoring. Perhaps it is meant to be "groanings too deep for words" since I don't see how you could understand any words that may have been used. I could see where he may have gotten a lot of flack for his style that may have pushed him away from Christians.

Ah yes, the dying cow   I have a couple of Agathothodion albums.  I believe he changed from the dying cow sounds to something else.  A dying giraffe or something like that

topshot rhit wrote:

kerrick wrote:

I'm not saying it's good, but this was a Christian man making music to honor God with.

It would be curious to know if God found it honoring. Perhaps it is meant to be "groanings too deep for words" since I don't see how you could understand any words that may have been used. I could see where he may have gotten a lot of flack for his style that may have pushed him away from Christians.

If it was the best he could do, wouldn't that honor God? I'm pretty sure God could understand the words even thought we can't.

kerrick wrote:

I don't mean to be "holier than thou" or judgmental here... but are we being too critical of someone's music?  I'm not saying it's good, but this was a Christian man making music to honor God with.  I believe he has since left the faith.  I dunno, I just imagine him stumbling upon this page and seeing these comments and being further assured in his decision to leave Christianity behind...

That said, Bodachi's Tourniquet comment made me lol. 

Interesting point Kerrick. I don't care for it but to be honest, it doesn't strike me as much different than other atmospheric black metal.

As I said above, if this was the best he could do, and he tried his hardest, I think it definately honored God. And I know if I put together some music, it'd be hard to put it out there for fear that it isn't good enough.

If someone is willing to forfeit their soul for eternity because of criticism of their music, then it's their choice and I grieve for that choice. But I'm not going to pussy-foot around and give him credit for trying. Sorry. This was utter rubbish. Music with words is meant to be understood. I get that not everyone understands every word sung in metal, but there is not a soul on Earth who could have understood that video above. God is not honored in confusion. While I do commend his desire to honor God, he has chosen a wrong way to do it. Just because someone's trying hard doesn't mean its honoring to God. Cain tried hard too, but God didn't find his sacrifice acceptable.

If that singer really left the faith because of criticism, it's a good thing he didn't get into pastoral ministry.

Follower of Jesus wrote:

If someone is willing to forfeit their soul for eternity because of criticism of their music, then it's their choice and I grieve for that choice. But I'm not going to pussy-foot around and give him credit for trying. Sorry. This was utter rubbish. Music with words is meant to be understood. I get that not everyone understands every word sung in metal, but there is not a soul on Earth who could have understood that video above. God is not honored in confusion. While I do commend his desire to honor God, he has chosen a wrong way to do it. Just because someone's trying hard doesn't mean its honoring to God. Cain tried hard too, but God didn't find his sacrifice acceptable.

I think there were two points being made and you combined them.

1. Kerrick said he thought this guy left the faith. He then stated that us being rude about something he made would only justify that further in his mind.

2. We both made the point that this guy, whether he's a believer now or not, was honoring God with his music.

Further, with all due respect, I think your comments are out of line. Yes, God didn't honor Cain's sacrifice but there's plenty of indication that it was rejected because it wasn't the best Cain could offer.

Do you honestly think something isn't honoring God based on our opinion of it? Are current worship songs acceptable to God or are hymns more His thing? What about when I tell God I don't have the words to praise him well enough? Does he just look at me like a slacker and insist I work harder? What if I told you that your work as a father/friend/employee/whatever wasn't good enough for God just because you're trying hard? Doesn't God look at the heart of man and not just the results of what he does? (Side note - I hope so, otherwise I'm screwed.)

ishmael81 wrote:

Follower of Jesus wrote:

If someone is willing to forfeit their soul for eternity because of criticism of their music, then it's their choice and I grieve for that choice. But I'm not going to pussy-foot around and give him credit for trying. Sorry. This was utter rubbish. Music with words is meant to be understood. I get that not everyone understands every word sung in metal, but there is not a soul on Earth who could have understood that video above. God is not honored in confusion. While I do commend his desire to honor God, he has chosen a wrong way to do it. Just because someone's trying hard doesn't mean its honoring to God. Cain tried hard too, but God didn't find his sacrifice acceptable.

I think there were two points being made and you combined them.

1. Kerrick said he thought this guy left the faith. He then stated that us being rude about something he made would only justify that further in his mind.

2. We both made the point that this guy, whether he's a believer now or not, was honoring God with his music.

Further, with all due respect, I think your comments are out of line. Yes, God didn't honor Cain's sacrifice but there's plenty of indication that it was rejected because it wasn't the best Cain could offer.

Do you honestly think something isn't honoring God based on our opinion of it? Are current worship songs acceptable to God or are hymns more His thing? What about when I tell God I don't have the words to praise him well enough? Does he just look at me like a slacker and insist I work harder? What if I told you that your work as a father/friend/employee/whatever wasn't good enough for God just because you're trying hard? Doesn't God look at the heart of man and not just the results of what he does? (Side note - I hope so, otherwise I'm screwed.)

1. Correct.  I have no idea why he left the faith but I highly doubt it was due to harsh criticisms of his music.  Rather, I was claiming that arrogantly and disrespectfully making fun of his music would only further feed his flame to continue distancing himself from people who call ourselves Christians and thus Christianity as a whole.  I know if my previous community spoke of me that way, I would want no part in ever coming back.  We're called to be ambassadors of Christ and condescendingly putting down someone's art doesn't fit well within that commandment IMO.  There's a big difference in saying, "I don't care for the vocals; it's not my thing" and that it's "crap" and "musical feces."  To stay on my soap box for a little longer... I believe that is one of the main reasons we've had so much trouble at CMR.  It's that kind of cruel, condescending, and downright mean attitude towards one another that causes the divisions; NOT the disagreeing part.

2. Yup.

3. Joshua, you get an 'amen' from me here too.   FOJ, where do you draw the line?  With discernible vocals?  So instrumental worship is out it'd seem.  If the singer annunciates well, can black metal be honoring to God?  You say that in metal we often can't understand all the lyrics... but that's ok?  Again, where do you draw the line?  At 80%?  Or maybe 50%?  Now I know there are many people who would say that NO metal is honoring to God... and yet here we all are at a Christian metal forum.  Why are they wrong and you right?  Where is the distinction?

Sigh.....

I did not post this to mock a guy's faith. Would it have been any different if I had posted a horrible secular music video? I'm just trying to have a little fun here.

I never saw anyone catching heat for poking fun at that Sonseed video that made the rounds a few years ago. And I think it's just as much horrible as the video I posted.

How about Scott Waters' NLTM page saying that Guardian's Bottle Rocket album sucks? I honestly can't imagine Jamie Rowe leaving his faith because of it. 

http://nolifetilmetal.com/guardian.htm

This thread makes me sad.  I could and probably should say more.  I think it would suffice to just close this now.

alldatndensum wrote:

This thread makes me sad.  I could and probably should say more.  I think it would suffice to just close this now.

I agree