Whats you guys take on folks using AI in music creation?

Lot of stuff out there now that is AI generated. Just saw that Pastor Brad was doing some AI generated stuff. I use AI when writing to help me keep my grammar correct and help with the flow of my writings at times. I'm not totally against AI, but it really worries me whee it can go. Now Brad is releasing some AI generated stuff, so? I'm really struggling with the thoughts of it because some of this stiff is really good from a musical standpoint, and the lyrics are also spot on. Still, it just doesn't set right. Now someone I know is releasing stuff with it, so?? Brad and I years ago talked about doing some stuff together, and I was one of the players on the Christian Metal Relm forum thing he did and released on one of his albums. That's me on guitar at 1:45 here

 Now he is doing this stuff?

Personally, I won't ever use AI to write music.  I certainly do not wish to listen to AI generated music as the human element is missing.  I do use EZDrummer in my music but I still arrange the parts and tweak them as I see fit. I'll never use AI to write songs for me.

I tried AI music but merely for inspiration.  Once I figured out what pieces I liked, I rewrote the music.  Now that I see that people can dump albums of music that is soulless in a short amount of time, I despise AI music.  I respect all that Brad has done in the past,but theses AI projects are lazy "art" to me.  I have no respect for that when you can do the music yourself.

Xid wrote:

Personally, I won't ever use AI to write music.  I certainly do not wish to listen to AI generated music as the human element is missing.  I do use EZDrummer in my music but I still arrange the parts and tweak them as I see fit. I'll never use AI to write songs for me.

I now am almost exclusively playing worship stuff and hate running Ableton or something like that for the very reasons you are talking. However, can see some use for AI at times. I use it when I'm writing for grammar and spelling checks and to help me make things flow. However, I am writing the piece not the AI it is just helping me in the flow of things, and sometimes I take the AI suggestions sometimes not but the words and themes are always mine. On another forum, there is a guy who says he is a long time player, and writer, buts is now disabled and is using AI to continue to create music. That argument is compelling and the material is very good. Still, it just doesn't set well with me. I wanted to get other's perspective on it, is why I posted this.

It's hard to argue with the point of the disabled.  Still, for me, I'm not interested in AI generated content.  AI generated art can be very cool, but something about it is off.  It doesn't look quite right.  The missing or extra fingers aside, the picture as a whole seems sterile.  It's lacking life.  The human element and imperfection is missing.  Plus they all look like they are created by the same "artist" and therefore are the same "style".

Technology is a wonderful thing.  It allows me to create music without having to have a slew of expensive gear.  I can create on my schedule without disrupting the household or neighborhood.  It allows me to make minor corrections without having to rerecord whole sections. It truly is amazing!  Once we start allowing the machines to create our content, we're no longer the creators.  We're just the conductors.

Ascension wrote:

Xid wrote:

Personally, I won't ever use AI to write music.  I certainly do not wish to listen to AI generated music as the human element is missing.  I do use EZDrummer in my music but I still arrange the parts and tweak them as I see fit. I'll never use AI to write songs for me.

I now am almost exclusively playing worship stuff and hate running Ableton or something like that for the very reasons you are talking. However, can see some use for AI at times. I use it when I'm writing for grammar and spelling checks and to help me make things flow. However, I am writing the piece not the AI it is just helping me in the flow of things, and sometimes I take the AI suggestions sometimes not but the words and themes are always mine. On another forum, there is a guy who says he is a long time player, and writer, buts is now disabled and is using AI to continue to create music. That argument is compelling and the material is very good. Still, it just doesn't set well with me. I wanted to get other's perspective on it, is why I posted this.

I have used AI to help write lyrics.  That typically means me typing in prompts for an idea and getting back what it spits out.  Then, I read through it and decide that this isn't how I would say anything and begin rewriting.  I have one song that I did this for that I think I kept two lines and redid the rest.  I have two more that are the same song in thought, but there are none of the computer generated lines left.  I like using it for inspiration, but I still have to do the work.  If I don't, then it isn't mine to me, nor is it an original creation.

I use it all the time.  There's no other way for me to get my lyrics in to songs.  I've done about 300 songs so far (although I've stopped at the moment).  Only difference is, I hardly share any of the stuff I've written apart from one or two, and I would never sell them if I did release them.

On the flip side, I am using Fiverr to do an album of 13 of my lyrics, and using a guy to turn those in to songs, so I don't just use A.I. (That should be done by Jan/Feb next year.  11 songs done, 2 to go)

I get the 'hate' for A.I. as it does seem fake.  It's happening more and more on the internet.  A.I. is taking over, just look at those paintings turned in to short videos - incredible, but strangely empty at the same time.  However, personally I get a lot of enjoyment listening to the lyrics I've written, being turned in to songs, that I can then listen to on my cycle home each evening.

I think in the end if it is on the internet, then it should be clearly labelled as A.I., that way people can steer clear of it if they don't like it.

While I get that, you also have to look at people someone like Jason Becker.  He was a total beast of a guitarist until he was diagnosed with ALS.  He then used a computer to compose music while he looked at a guitar and imagined how it should sound. He then got real players to record those parts since he could no longer do it himself.  Sure, it is a long process much like we do in recording at home.  We may have to get other musicians to help, but we bring that to life by networking and sometimes paying someone to do what we cannot.  We are older and are learning new technologies to bring our art to fruition.  Anyone can do this, too, without having to take the path of least effort.

I am not a fan of the AI music. I prefer to come up with my own. It just defeats the purpose of writing in my opinion. But i also feel that people are free to use it regardless of whether I like it or not. Some of it sounds great too. I just prefer lyrics from the human soul, given by God. I am also fine with “putting in the info” and letting something else or someone else play the music, as the music was still created by a human and hopefully inspired by God. But what i dont really care for is typing in a subject and a computer generating lyrics. As long as a human wrote it, then i am good with it. Sometimes a good musician/writer needs a particular vocalists to sing their music or a particular melody performed by an instrument they dont play. Thats all perfectly fine to me. However, just make sure the computer isnt the “author” of the music. Thats my opinion.

Shake n Bake wrote:

I am not a fan of the AI music.  I prefer to come up with my own.  It just defeats the purpose of writing in my opinion.  But i also feel that people are free to use it regardless of whether I like it or not.  Some of it sounds great too.  I just prefer lyrics from the human soul, given by God.  I am also fine with “putting in the info” and letting something else or someone else play the music, as the music was still created by a human and hopefully inspired by God.  But what i dont really care for is typing in a subject and a computer generating lyrics.  As long as a human wrote it, then i am good with it.  Sometimes a good musician/writer needs a particular vocalists to sing their music or a particular melody performed by an instrument they dont play.  Thats all perfectly fine to me.  However, just make sure the computer isnt the “author” of the music.  Thats my opinion.

I like that take! 

I agree.  I think it needs to be clearly labelled as such (maybe even put it in to law).  For instance, some of those photos are so realistic that it's almost impossible to tell if they're fake or not.  Go too much in to the future and people will begin to doubt everything they see.

From a personal positive point of view, I've written more than I've ever done before, and I end up thinking up new lyrics all the time. That means I end up thinking about Jesus more than I used to, even writing lyrics on my breaks at work, where I used to just read the news over and over. This for me is a benefit, and a form of personal worship.

Fundy wrote:

I agree.  I think it needs to be clearly labelled as such (maybe even put it in to law).  For instance, some of those photos are so realistic that it's almost impossible to tell if they're fake or not.  Go too much in to the future and people will begin to doubt everything they see.

From a personal positive point of view, I've written more than I've ever done before, and I end up thinking up new lyrics all the time. That means I end up thinking about Jesus more than I used to, even writing lyrics on my breaks at work, where I used to just read the news over and over. This for me is a benefit, and a form of personal worship.

Now that is awesome!

I assume this is AI? There are a ton of bands this person has done in 50’s and 60’s styles.